The meeting was called to order at 2:00 Eastern time. There were 14 attendees, listed below.
There was some discussion of what we should be planning for the next AIAA Aerospace Sciences meeting in Reno next year. Dave Edwards agreed to arrange for a User's meeting, potentially to include a panel discussion to get things moving.
Bob Bush asked if there was interest in publishing CGNS as an AIAA
Standard. There seemed to be general agreement that this would
be a good idea, but some reservations about what documentation,
administrative or other burden it might place on the committee. The
committee generally felt that they were in favor, provided there was not
a substantial burden put on the committee. Bob Bush will report this
back to the AIAA CFD Committee on Standards, who asked the question.
Diane Poirier is eagerly anticipating being unavailable for several weeks due to the arrival of a new addition to their family! We all wish her the best and look forward to hearing the news!
|Bob Bush||Pratt & Whitney|
|Chris Rumsey||NASA Langley|
|Armen Darian||Boeing Space|
|David Edwards||Intelligent Light|
|Francis Enomoto||NASA Ames|
|Alan Shih||Catalpa Research|
|Diane Poirier||ICEM-CFD Engineering|
|Doug McCarthy||Boeing Commercial|
Bob, Due to a travel commitment, I will not be participating in the CGNS telecon on March 15. Here's the latest on the ISO-STEP project. The ISO-STEP project has progressed through Gate 2 - New Work Item Proposal. This standard has been assigned the name "AP 237: Fluid Dynamics". We will be producing (probably) five documents: 1) AP 237, the top-level standard for fluid dynamics data 2) Part 1xx (100-series, number not yet assigned), specialized components of the standard applicable only to CFD. In the future, other 100-series parts will be produced with specializations for flight test data, wind tunnel data, and other categories of fluid dynamics data. These will all be components of AP 237. 3) Part 52, generic data structures for mesh-based data - both structured and unstructured mesh. This will be referenced from AP 237 and Part 1xx. 4) Part 5b (50-series, number not yet assigned), general product data management information for numerical analysis results. This will be referenced from AP237 and Part 1xx. 5) A "Usage Guide" which is more of a free-form document, intended to familiarize the reader with the concepts and the implementation. If you ever need to become knowledgeable quickly about an ISO standard, I recommend you start with the Usage Guide for that standard. Not all standards have one, however. Drafts of all these parts exist now, except for the Usage Guide. However, only Parts 52 and 5b are in a state which we think could be final. The current drafts of AP 237 and 1xx were marked up at meetings in December and February, and those markups have not yet been incorporated into revisions of the documents. Our Fluid Dynamics proposal was supported by US, UK, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Australia and Japan - these I know of, and probably there were several others that I don't yet know of because the official results of the vote have not yet been conveyed to me. At this stage in the process, we had to have five "yes" votes and no "no" votes. The next stage of the process will be to present a full draft for detailed review. With Parts 5b and 52, we hope to reach this point in April. For Part 1xx, we are shooting for the summer, and for the top-level AP 237, sometime in the fall. Here are some questions which have been raised. I would ask the CGNS Steering Committee to consider these questions. 1) Do we need to provide for rinds? This seems like redundant information that (a) can be easily created by an application code as needed and (b) is related to a specific code, i.e., different codes will require different rind characteristics (excluding the large number of codes which don't require a rind at all). The rind can be retained in the standard if it's needed, but there is a desire not to include data in the standard which can be easily recreated from other data in the standard, or data which has no relevance except to a specific application code. 2) Does the CGNS Steering Committee have plans to extend CGNS to include associative geometry, in a time frame that is compatible with the schedule I have outlined above? 3) Is it necessary to identify as discrete types of structured grid blocks the degenerate block types which include collapsed faces or edges? Currently, all these degenerate cases are listed and given separate identifiers but we are not sure this is needed. 4) Is there a need to include the vertex count associated with each unstructured cell type. This seems to be redundant information that is easily derived. 5) Do we need the entity "index_range_OK" ? As I indicated during my presentation to this Committee on January 9, I plan to refer these and future questions regarding intellectual content to this Committee, since it is my goal to keep the ISO-STEP standard as close as possible to CGNS. At this point, it seems possible to think of having a final, approved international standard by perhaps late 2003 or early 2004. Thank you for your continued support.
Bob, Sorry, but I won't be able to dial in for tomorrow's telecon. Here's a summary of the documentation changes since the last meeting, and the current status. - The documentation web pages have been moved to the GRC web server. The documentation page at the CGNS web server looks basically the same, but links now go to the GRC server. - HTML versions have been added for the: - Overview (but the content is old and should be updated) - User's Guide - File Mapping Manual - The "hard-copy" versions of the Overview and File Mapping documents have been converted to LaTeX - The File Mapping Manual has been updated for consistency with the current version of the SIDS. - The Mid-Level Library documentation is being re-organized, and basically follows the organization used in the "Detailed CGNS Node Descriptions" section of the File Mapping Manual. Both an HTML and LaTeX "hard-copy" version will be available. The first cut at this should be ready tomorrow or Friday for review, I assume by you, Diane, and Chris (and anyone else who's interested enough). -- Charlie Towne Email: firstname.lastname@example.org MS 86-7 Phone: (216) 433-5851 NASA Glenn Research Center FAX: (216) 977-7500 Cleveland, OH 44135-3191 WWW: www.grc.nasa.gov/www/winddocs/towne/